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15 Sep 2008 01:36 PM  

I do not claim to know the inner workings of the fire department. I may be wrong, but I see one major problem with the LAFD. Before I start, just let it be known that I have all the respect in the world for the people out there, firefighters and paramedics. This isn't about them.

I am wondering why Lehigh property owners are taxed for service fees then later charged when they need help. Rediculous, outrageous fees that have no justification. Not even an ambulance consumes $200 of gasoline on the way to the hospital! The firefighters would be sitting around the station, but we are supposed to throw them hundreds of dollars because they actually had to go out and do their jobs?

People in a disaster situation, whether it be a house fire or car crash don't need the additional financial burden of having to pay LAFD when they have already paid through taxes. Of course I understand that not everyone is a property owner to contribute to this pot, but why the outrageous prices? Charge me $50 for ambulance gas and the inconvenience I caused the firefighters, that seems more fair.

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16 Sep 2008 09:12 AM  

I appreciate the opportunity to address this great question and your concerns. First, let me clarify that people are not charged anything for firefighters responding to house fires or car crashes. However, if transport to a hospital is required there is a fee, and our fee is lower than the fee charged by Lee County EMS and lower even than what medicare pays.

Unfortunately the taxes collected do not fully support providing Advanced Life Support (Ambulances) to the community.  We do not want to unduly burdened tax payers by having everyone pay for the cost of providing this service when they do not use it.  Therefore, a fee structure for those that use the services helps defray expenses and lower the burden for taxpayers. However, even with the fees this is not fully funded by the minimal charge.  It would cost several times the current cost to fund the cost of providing an ambulance service.  This holds true for Lee County EMS whose transport fees are higher than the District’s. By having a transport fee the fire district is able maintain a lower Ad Valorum tax rate. 

Also consider that a percentage of users are simply visiting here or passing through. Without a marginal user fee local taxpayers would bear the burden of paying the whole expense.
 
We are absolutely concerned about the amount of out-of-pocket expense to residents for transport fees and that is why we have one of the lowest fee structures in the area.  In fact, Medicare pays more on many of the types of transports than the District is currently charging.  That is why Commissioners are currently looking at possibly raising the fee to the Medicare rate.
 
Emergency services such as 911 responses have rapidly gained importance in recent years with the increased threat of terrorism, pandemic illness, and disaster response, not to mention the tremendous growth we’ve seen in our area in recent years. Accordingly, communities have a greater interest in ensuring adequate funding for such a valuable service. 
 
Much like user fees such as tolls to cross Alligator Alley or the bridges to and from Cape Coral, the idea of ambulance and emergency response user fees are now widely used across the country. In fact, the District has five ambulances to provide Advanced Life Support transport service which is one of the highest levels of services in the area for the lowest price. If Lee County provided EMS to the District the user fees would be higher and their ambulances could be called out of the area at any time. Our ambulances are dedicated to Lehigh Acres, except for a very rare occasion when Lee County EMS does not have any available units and then we will assist those Fire Districts next to ours.
 
I hope this, at least in some small way, helps you understand that user fees are commonplace in many areas of government, that our ambulance user fees are generally lower than others in our area and that we will do everything we can do to keep the burden on taxpayers and users as low as possible.
 
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16 Sep 2008 09:27 AM  
As usual Mr. Comer, we thank you for your excellent explanation to a complex issue. Some folks in the community think everything is as simple as they are, and it is obvious that this is not as simple an issue as they would like to believe. For those of us who have been elsewhere in the fire service, we know that you are doing a fine job of balancing services with costs, so please keep up the great work!!
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16 Sep 2008 11:21 AM  
This is exactly why the District needs a PIO/PEO.

All three challengers to the current Commissioners Jeff Berndt, Joel Guzman and David Adams on this November's ballot want to eliminate this position and that would be a big mistake.


Remember Commissioners Jeff Berndt, Joel Guzman and David Adams on November 4th.



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16 Sep 2008 03:03 PM  
Well put CVC

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16 Sep 2008 04:25 PM  
Posted By Count von Count on 09/16/2008 10:21 AM
This is exactly why the District needs a PIO/PEO.

All three challengers to the current Commissioners Jeff Berndt, Joel Guzman and David Adams on this November's ballot want to eliminate this position and that would be a big mistake.


Remember Commissioners Jeff Berndt, Joel Guzman and David Adams on November 4th.


Doesn't one of our LAFD Fire Commissioner Candidates want to disband this position if he is elected into office?

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16 Sep 2008 04:31 PM  
Posted By LeeMedic on 09/16/2008 3:25 PM
Posted By Count von Count on 09/16/2008 10:21 AM
This is exactly why the District needs a PIO/PEO.

All three challengers to the current Commissioners Jeff Berndt, Joel Guzman and David Adams on this November's ballot want to eliminate this position and that would be a big mistake.


Remember Commissioners Jeff Berndt, Joel Guzman and David Adams on November 4th.


Doesn't one of our LAFD Fire Commissioner Candidates want to disband this position if he is elected into office?



Again all three challengers want to eliminate this position. Doidge, Becker and last but not least 07431995.

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17 Sep 2008 11:57 AM  
The position that Comer currently has was occupied before his arrival by another, check the records.
Comer and other PIO's in this county will have their hands full come October and who would do that job if they didn't exist.
It's a ridiculous thought on a weak platform to disqualify this position due to a lack of understanding.

Knuckleball:
I believe that LAFD used to provide the service within your taxes, but switched to a "user pays" program.
Believe it or not, there were people out there who took advantage of the system and used the LAFD ambulances as taxis and became "frequent flyers", which potentially put LAFD short on ambulances for someone with a genuine emergency.
Also, if you study the collection rates on the ambulance fees, you'll soon figure out that tax dollars still supplement the ALS program. A program that the tax payers hold near and dear in Lehigh, at least that's my opinion. The question could be asked if the fees collected actually help keep the costs of the ambulance service down?(Tax rates related) It could probably be debated either way.
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