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13 May 2008 07:54 PM  
According to some LAFD FF’s it not that they are spread out to thin; it’s that the administration does not know how to schedule personnel and equipment for the calls.
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13 May 2008 09:28 PM  
Posted By Watchdog on 05/13/2008 6:54 PM
According to some LAFD FF’s it not that they are spread out to thin; it’s that the administration does not know how to schedule personnel and equipment for the calls.



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13 May 2008 11:12 PM  
Posted By LeeMedic on 05/13/2008 8:28 PM
Posted By Watchdog on 05/13/2008 6:54 PM
According to some LAFD FF’s it not that they are spread out to thin; it’s that the administration does not know how to schedule personnel and equipment for the calls.



Please explain.

 

 

Explain what ?

 

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14 May 2008 07:19 AM  
Mr. Anderson, why do most of your answers to the questions seem so vague?
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Posted By stacy on 05/14/2008 6:19 AM
Mr. Anderson, why do most of your answers to the questions seem so vague?



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15 May 2008 08:44 AM  
Posted By LeeMedic on 05/14/2008 7:21 AM
Posted By stacy on 05/14/2008 6:19 AM
Mr. Anderson, why do most of your answers to the questions seem so vague?



I just do not think Mr. Anderson has answers.

 

You're right Lee, I have answered several questions that Robert has asked me several times. But when its not the answer he wants to hear he makes another post asking the same question again. But what the hell do I know? I've only worked for the Lehigh Acres Fire Dept. for the last 27 years. 

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15 May 2008 10:55 AM  

Posted By Watchdog on 05/13/2008 6:54 PM
According to some LAFD FF’s it not that they are spread out to thin; it’s that the administration does not know how to schedule personnel and equipment for the calls.

 

According to the records the Chief was tied the hands of the incident commanders and or the BC's on number of personnel and equipment sent to a scene.

 

This chiefs policy was recently changed on 5/1/08 Why?

 

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15 May 2008 11:30 AM  

Not to start a fight of LAL ....... follow the links

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15 May 2008 01:07 PM  
Posted By Watchdog on 05/15/2008 9:55 AM

This chiefs policy was recently changed on 5/1/08 Why?

 



Robert when you answer my question about the Multi-Million Dollar Restaurants you're supposed to have run. Then I will TRY to answer your question. Quid Pro Quo.

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15 May 2008 04:12 PM  
Posted By FF110 on 05/15/2008 12:07 PM
Posted By Watchdog on 05/15/2008 9:55 AM

This chiefs policy was recently changed on 5/1/08 Why?

 



Robert when you answer my question about the Multi-Million Dollar Restaurants you're supposed to have run. Then I will TRY to answer your question. Quid Pro Quo.

 

 

I already had the answer to the abovequestion before I posted FF110 ..... I just to see if you would answer it?

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15 May 2008 04:19 PM  

Robert, I will not answer any question you ask me until you answer the question I asked you. What are you afraid of?  

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15 May 2008 04:51 PM  
LAFD Response to 2805 75th W. Sunday May 11th.

It is being suggested that the problem is not that the department is too thin but that personnel are being mismanaged by administration or that administration is “tying the hands of the officers.”
This particular fire presented a number of problems.
1. Distance and drive time from fire stations. Response was 12 minutes.
2. Lack of water. There are no water lines near this area. All water had to be trucked in by our two tenders.
3. We could have used more firefighters
We have 5 Rescues (ambulances). Four responded. At one point LAR 102 was transporting a patient. According to dispatch records here are the units that responded.
LAR 101
LAR 103
LAR 104
LAR 105


All five of our Engines responded
LAE 101
LAE 102
LAE 103
LAE 104
LAE 105

Both of our Tenders (tankers) responded
LAT 101
LAT 105


Two of our four Brush Trucks responded
LAB 103
LAB 105

Except for the two personnel on LAR 102 everyone on shift was at this fire. Quarters were empty. Other agencies were responding to other emergency calls in our district.
On May 1st administration issued a revised SOG pertaining to department responses to emergency incidents. It was revised to improve the level of service provided to our citizens with life threatening emergencies.

10-14 Revised 05-01-08

RESPONSE-VEHICLE RESPONSE PROCEDURES


• These are intended as minimum responses and are subject to additional resource response at officer’s discretion.

• Truck 104 will replace Station 102’s engine for all responses involving commercial or multi story residential call.


STRUCTURE FIRE

Residential:
• Battalion Chief, 2 engines, 1 rescue and 1 tender respond in non-hydrant areas
South of State Road 82 (unpaved/un-hydranted)
2 engines, 1 rescue and 1 water tender

Commercial / Multi-Residential Calls:
• Battalion Chief, 3 engines, 2 rescues and 1 truck


Health Care Facility:

• Battalion Chief, 4 engines, 2 rescues and 1 truck


ALARM ACTIVATION

• On all alarm activations – only the first due engine shall respond emergency mode, all others shall respond non-emergency mode unless directed otherwise.


Residential:

• Battalion Chief, 2 engines and 1 rescue respond except when dispatch information states otherwise

• Single Family Residential with NO FIRE, and ALARM RESET or NO HELP NEEDED in resetting, shall require a single engine non-emergency response

• Calls for single family residential alarms where help is requested and there is no fire will receive a single engine, non-emergency response


Commercial/Multi Residential:

• Battalion Chief, 3 engines, 2 rescues and 1 truck


BRUSH FIRE

• Battalion Chief, 1 rescue, 1 brush truck and 1 engine

• Additional units will respond on high hazard days according to duty officer’s discretion


VEHICLE FIRE

• 1 engine for passenger vehicle and 2 engines and a rescue for large trucks or tractor trailer

UNKNOWN TYPE FIRE

• Battalion Chief, 1 rescue, 1 engine and 1 brush truck


MEDICAL CALL

• 1 rescue and 1 engine will respond to all medical calls

MVA

• 1 engine and 1 rescue - except bus accidents where 2 engines will respond


BOMB THREAT (CODE 7)

• Battalion Chief, 1 engine and 1 rescue


HAZARDOUS MATERIAL ACCIDENT

• Battalion Chief, 2 engines and 2 rescues


AIRCRAFT FIRE or AIRCRAFT DOWN

• Battalion Chief, 2 engines and 2 rescues, including 1 water tender

PUBLIC ASSISTANCE

• 1 engine


ALERT II RESPONSE

• 1 rescue to stand by on Daniels Road at Powerline Grade


ALERT III RESPONSE

• 1 engine and 1 rescue to stand by for response to designated area by Lee Control
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15 May 2008 05:24 PM  
Mr. Comer post RESPONSE-VEHICLE RESPONSE PROCEDURES dated 4-23-08 and the one before that please
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15 May 2008 06:01 PM  

Robert why don't you post your copy of them.

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16 May 2008 12:44 PM  
Here is the previous SOG. It is public record and I'm happy to share any public record. Neither this SOG or the one on May 1st tied anyone's hands. How could they, every personnel on shift except the two on R102 were on scene. We emptied the bench. High winds, no water, big distance and lack of any additioinal resources were all issues that day. Not mismanagement.
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10-14 Revised 04-23-08

RESPONSE-VEHICLE RESPONSE PROCEDURES


• These are intended as minimum responses and are subject to additional resource response at officer’s discretion.

• Truck 104 will replace Station 102’s engine for all responses involving commercial or multi story residential call.


STRUCTURE FIRE

Residential:
• Battalion Chief, 2 engines, 1 rescue and 1 tender respond in non-hydrant areas
• South of State Road 82 (unpaved/un-hydrated)
2 engines, 1 rescue and 1 water tender

Commercial / Multi-Residential Calls:
• Battalion Chief, 3 engines, 2 rescues and 1 truck


Health Care Facility:

• Battalion Chief, 4 engines, 2 rescues and 1 truck


ALARM ACTIVATION

• On all alarm activations – only the first due engine shall respond emergency mode, all others shall respond non-emergency mode unless directed otherwise.


Residential:

• Battalion Chief, 2 engines and 1 rescue respond except when dispatch information states otherwise

• Single Family Residential with NO FIRE, and ALARM RESET or NO HELP NEEDED in resetting, shall require a single engine non-emergency response

• Calls for single family residential alarms where help is requested and there is no fire will receive a single engine, non-emergency response


Commercial/Multi Residential:

• Battalion Chief, 3 engines, 2 rescues and 1 truck


BRUSH FIRE

• Battalion Chief, 1 brush truck and 1 engine

• Additional units will respond on high hazard days according to duty officer’s discretion


VEHICLE FIRE

• 1 engine for passenger vehicle and 2 engines for large trucks or tractor trailer

UNKNOWN TYPE FIRE

• Battalion Chief, 1 engine and 1 brush truck


MEDICAL CALL

• 1 rescue and 1 engine will respond to all medical calls

MVA

• 1 engine and 1 rescue - except bus accidents where 2 engines will respond


BOMB THREAT (CODE 7)

• Battalion Chief, 1 engine and 1 rescue


HAZARDOUS MATERIAL ACCIDENT

• Battalion Chief, 2 engines and 2 rescues


AIRCRAFT FIRE or AIRCRAFT DOWN

• Battalion Chief, 2 engines and 2 rescues, including 1 water tender

PUBLIC ASSISTANCE

• 1 engine


ALERT II RESPONSE

• 1 rescue to stand by on Daniels Road at Powerline Grade


ALERT III RESPONSE

• 1 engine and 1 rescue to stand by for response to designated area by Lee Control

























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16 May 2008 01:25 PM  

Robert you have been knocking the LAFD for the past 4 or so years, about equipment and upper management.

Why don't you put yourself through the Fire Academy like Patrick Comer did. Maybe you will have a better understanding of how a Fire Dept. works. Ergo he is not only a PIO, but also a FF.

I know you will say that your too old to go through the Academy, so explain how Mr Comer did it at age 58.

Your response please.

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16 May 2008 02:07 PM  
Posted By sobaka_sam on 05/16/2008 12:25 PM

Robert you have been knocking the LAFD for the past 4 or so years, about equipment and upper management.

Why don't you put yourself through the Fire Academy like Patrick Comer did. Maybe you will have a better understanding of how a Fire Dept. works. Ergo he is not only a PIO, but also a FF.

I know you will say that your too old to go through the Academy, so explain how Mr Comer did it at age 58.

Your response please.



I would think to go through the academy you have to have a physical and be deemed physically fit. I don't know but I would say this isn't the case with RJA.  Mr. Comer looks like he takes care of himself, someone else does not.

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17 May 2008 08:33 AM  

I don't think there is a physical involved. But the ones who are not physically fit will not make it. Especially if that person is severely over weight. The running of a mile and a half the first thing in the morning would be the killer. During the training there are several things that will test your agility. There is also a maze you are expected to crawl through wearing full gear and breathing apparatus. Several of the places in that maze a average size person has trouble squeezing through. People of extreme size could not possibly do it.  I would say if you are severely obese you shouldn't even try to go through the Fire Academy. You'll be throwing your money away. Fire School isn't cheap.

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17 May 2008 06:37 PM  
Do we really have to go through this RJA stuff again? I KNOW he's running for something, I KNOW THERE'S NO WAY ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH I'd EVER vote for him for ANYTHING! I understand equal time for candidates on the forum but enough's enough. He insinuates, he digs dirt, he accuses and I for one have been completely satisfied with the way our firemen (and women) have responded to the fires in our area. The tone of his post sounds like an attack on Patrick Comer and it pi$#@* me off. RJA's answers are vague because he has no answers nor does he really WANT answers. What he really wants is to anger people, to cause dissension, to get posters arguing and slinging mud.
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